tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post2319471142412005329..comments2024-03-12T09:47:58.376+02:00Comments on ChampagneHeathen: "Trying to incite people to behave in a certain way"Champagne Heathenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09540128789208726965noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-74747379779997766332007-02-07T14:47:00.000+02:002007-02-07T14:47:00.000+02:00Thanks Dave! And yes, you've missed a great deal.Thanks Dave! And yes, you've missed a great deal.Champagne Heathenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540128789208726965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-48756308001997705012007-02-07T12:52:00.000+02:002007-02-07T12:52:00.000+02:00Mmmm, very interesting post Champs, I seem to have...Mmmm, very interesting post Champs, I seem to have missed a lot recently with my little trip to the States. <br /><br />Frustration is par for the course when discussing our government and its actions, or inaction to be more precise!Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09227558738159272264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-90652316819101616772007-02-07T11:06:00.000+02:002007-02-07T11:06:00.000+02:00Anon – Thanks very much for the compliment, and y...Anon – Thanks very much for the compliment, and yes, I love that this new blogging trend allows me to voice my thoughts, form ideas, opinions, faulty theories etc. and to read others!<br /><br />Yes, I am not a regular reader of the S.Times as many articles often drive me to frustration with them being sensationalist. The Sunday Independent just hadn’t arrived yet. What was my predominant concern though was the quote from the government spokesperson’s statement: “Trying to incite people to behave in a certain way towards the head of state cannot be condoned,”<br /><br />The thinking behind such a statement is very dangerous. As I try to explain why in my posting. <br /><br />As for Big Business’s role; I did read a further article in The Star (back to your first very relevant point about sources!) where Paul Harris stated that: the campaign was cancelled after “various discussions” that highlighted potentially negative consequences of the campaign. He said the “possible outcomes might not have matched the intentions of the campaign”.<br />( http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/topstories.aspx?ID=BD4A376028 …Can’t track down that exact article.) And that the campaign will happen when they are certain the intended outcomes will be achieved. How much of this hints towards convincing gov not to pull their big accounts from FNB, who knows. But let’s hope it does mean it was for intelligent altruistic reasons on the part of Big Biz & Gov!<br /><br />Mbeki has done many good things. And he more than likely will never be recognised accordingly for these. But then he must also recognise that being Head of State is meant to be a thankless job, not a glorified demi-god position. It is our role as active citizens to critically analyse ALL he does, says (and does not say far too often in Mbeki’s case!), and policies he puts forward. If we do not do this we run the risk of complacency and even allowing our leaders to become autocratic & unaccountable (as we are worrying hoping is not happening already).<br /><br />Yes, you picked up my point of him being an Economist. With me being s a Pol Scientist, this means he & I are often at odds on the course of action he chooses. I do understand his theory on how to alleviate crime, or even his original intentions on his HIV stance & Zim stance. But one cannot rely too heavily on the economy if it means compromising thousands/ millions of citizens’ lives. There are times that more direct action does need to be taken, as we have already witnessed. <br /><br />Thanks for your thoughts! I really enjoyed them! And yes, nothing like some blog political banter to help broaden & strengthen our minds! Visit again…although, on this blog, expect a potjie of themes.<br /><br />Cat – thank you! As was said on someone’s blog recently - exactly, it is either remain loyal and vote for the party you always have, or now, do not vote at all. What is needed is an alternative for ANC members who are becoming disillusioned with their current party, and so far this country has yet to offer such an alternative.Champagne Heathenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540128789208726965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-34812984430398467282007-02-07T11:03:00.000+02:002007-02-07T11:03:00.000+02:00Phlipppy – Exactly. But people will always find me...Phlipppy – Exactly. But people will always find means to change that what they do not like. So we see the rise in Non-governmental Organisations, and “new” Social Movements. What also struck a thought was in place of “coffee shop political debates” we now have blogs to satisfy our need for discussions and debates. Hmmm….perhaps a post in the making…<br /><br />Rev – you had to make me do some research on this dear man. He could use several lessons in many many varsity 1st year subjects. …I see he is being had up for indulging in child prostitutes & has had charges of assault brought against him before.<br />AND “Prince is accused of receiving a performance bonus of R49 000 even though he had been in his current position for less than a year….[and the] use of R3000 from the mayoral fund to pay for the bail of his friend Harry van Rooyen.”. http://iafrica.com/news/sa/620953.htm<br />He has been contravening the ANC constitution, has been opposing another ANC candidate in the area, and has registered to contest the elections as a candidate for another party. Now the ANC is “cleaner and more focused without these hindrances and embarrassments," said Skwatsha”. http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1871800,00.html<br /><br />Delightful.<br /><br />Robs – thanks very much for your generous discount on those tomato boxes! I do prefer the former soap ones, but if the price is right…<br /><br />That is the problem with not having enough advocacy groups & more strong opposition parties. The bank had to step into a serious gap, and the government used their own devious strength to fight back. <br /><br />Shame on the ANC if they did threaten to pull their accounts from the bank simply for calling on the president to listen to his electorate!!! If that is true, it is DISGUSTING. The ANC & our president should welcome means for the people of SA to be heard! FNB was not calling for his resignation, or for a coup or anything of that sort. They were asking for the president to listen to the people he represents!<br /><br />Urk – he’s the president, not The Oracle! But I’ll ask anyway. See how lateral thinking he is. <br />My answers: Blue lines are peace-instilling & Round manhole covers are cheaper to manufacture…less metal needed for corners! :P<br /><br />Numero – and a very cute cynical bottom mine is, thank you!<br /><br />Rob – I’ll gooi that cannafish at you! But good talking point about the trawlers being sent on their polluting way. Hold on….who catches the fish that a day later becomes my sushi?!?!? OOoooo conflict of interest for me! <br /><br />Fuzzy – Yeah for my varsity education!! What role would you like on my cabinet.<br /><br />Someamongus – thanks very much for the link on your site!! I had 60 readers last night cause of it. Oooooo!Champagne Heathenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540128789208726965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-63115246058751978332007-02-07T10:54:00.000+02:002007-02-07T10:54:00.000+02:00brilliant post champs. divine right - i really bel...brilliant post champs. divine right - i really believe 80% of population votes on loyalty lines, and does not equate service delivery with leadership.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-78195866874367586912007-02-06T23:55:00.000+02:002007-02-06T23:55:00.000+02:00Champers for president!Champers for president!fuzzy logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12423957139015603819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-16383506192896608732007-02-06T22:06:00.000+02:002007-02-06T22:06:00.000+02:00Great Blog champers, good to see that there are st...Great Blog champers, good to see that there are still young people in SA who care about the political situation and haven't just moved to the UK. You and Someamongus make so great points but unfortunately just like Mbeki we offer no solutions. Relating to this post it's interesting tolook at a) the source, let's be honest Sunday Times isn't exactely what I would call great journalism and b) the calls came from other business leaders, now forgive me for a little over-simplification here but I believ that Mbeki is a highly intellectual dude and i would assume that so are the countries business leaders so if they both urged the campaign to be withdrawn, it would certainly make me think?<br /><br />On the more general Mbeki theme I think we're a little to quick to criticize T-Bone, there have been several mind boggling errors (HIV esp) but lets also remember that Mbeki has done alot of good (granted mainly economic) but as champers mentioned he is an economist, his belief is that the economy is the driving force behind the issues esp. crime in SA and through economic stability we can created long term stability in the country. Which in mind is a fair assumption. I agree Mbeki deserves his critics, but lets also take a step back and look at where we are - 11 years on (most ofwhich where under Mbeki's guidance even when Mandela was president) I think we've come a long way, not as far as we would have liked but pretty far. I could go on for hours but that's enough for now - thanks for making me think a little dudes, nothing better some brilliant debate to get the old mind rolling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-37375396861184051672007-02-06T19:49:00.000+02:002007-02-06T19:49:00.000+02:00cynical...your bottom
-Dcynical...your bottom <br /><br />-DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-84543280609578723352007-02-06T18:39:00.000+02:002007-02-06T18:39:00.000+02:00while you're at it, ask him why manhole covers are...while you're at it, ask him why manhole covers are round. and how they get blue lines on paper. i've always wanted to know that.Urkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13793071956258471521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-79285248946632016172007-02-06T18:02:00.000+02:002007-02-06T18:02:00.000+02:00Welcome Garth! And thank you so much for the compl...Welcome Garth! And thank you so much for the compliment on your first visit...you can come back anytime!<br /><br />I'll be sure to let you know as soon as I weasel in an appoinment with the Prez!<br /><br />Ok, now I must be off. I have kilos of sushi to go and ravish!Champagne Heathenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540128789208726965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-19904610019491110212007-02-06T17:54:00.000+02:002007-02-06T17:54:00.000+02:00First time visitor Champers. Impressive!
Please l...First time visitor Champers. Impressive!<br /><br />Please let me come with when you brief el Presidente, I would love to see the look on his face.<br /><br />I'll be back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-73320960501429320422007-02-06T17:33:00.000+02:002007-02-06T17:33:00.000+02:00Kyks - I will take his pipe away, and if I notice ...Kyks - I will take his pipe away, and if I notice him lose a second of concentration, I will threaten to take his whiskey glass from him!<br /><br />At least you know your pizza will be free! Just turn on the oven to heat it up when it finally arrives. Actually, maybe scrap that idea!<br /><br />Rev - at least all the by-elections will keep them so occupied they won't have time to get up to their usual daily activities - expensive lunches, purchasing of german cars, looking up kiddies' porn etc! <br /><br />Numero - a tad cynical?! You?! Never! :)<br /><br />(Still getting to more indepth comments...just now)Champagne Heathenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540128789208726965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-87826022911110865412007-02-06T16:54:00.000+02:002007-02-06T16:54:00.000+02:00Government, Financial Institutions, Advertising wh...Government, Financial Institutions, Advertising where's the crime in that? Excuse me for being a tad cynical about the whole thing, I'm sure FNB and the criminals are enjoying the publicity.# 302https://www.blogger.com/profile/13166486101269354983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-532144797275797442007-02-06T16:45:00.000+02:002007-02-06T16:45:00.000+02:00I didn't realise that literacy was a prerequisite ...I didn't realise that literacy was a prerequisite for becoming a politician??<br />Shit, do you realise how many by-elections we would need to have??Revolving Credithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15574797355925391736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-6796532485061848542007-02-06T16:36:00.000+02:002007-02-06T16:36:00.000+02:00You do realise that you're going to have to compre...You do realise that you're going to have to compress that down into about three bullet points (hah!) to hold his attention for more than 2 picoseconds? By the way, good luck on the whole "public servant" thing. I phoned my order for a pizza through to Tynhuis absolutely <i>ages</i> ago and I'm STILL waiting. Slack bastards!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-59164882756339148272007-02-06T16:06:00.000+02:002007-02-06T16:06:00.000+02:00Why are you all responding with intelligent though...Why are you all responding with intelligent thoughtful comments at this hour of the long day?? Can I get back to you post 5pm when hopefully my mind has returned. Thanks!Champagne Heathenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540128789208726965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-35757549511221281652007-02-06T14:28:00.000+02:002007-02-06T14:28:00.000+02:00I would so like you to personally invite Truman Pr...I would so like you to personally invite Truman Prince to attend your course.Revolving Credithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15574797355925391736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-50260363630124987152007-02-06T13:58:00.000+02:002007-02-06T13:58:00.000+02:00No no - I'm interested in that because I feel the ...No no - I'm interested in that because I feel the same way. The "cash incentive" is such a driver over the last few decades rather than people being passionate about making a difference and instilling change in what they believe to be a sick society that needs help. Oftentimes people are so plagued with this desparate want to do more for those around them but they fear to do anything because of the stigma associated with politicians. Which in turn revolves back to your preceeding point.Phlippyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11075170008177293978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-10759049119542751942007-02-06T13:53:00.000+02:002007-02-06T13:53:00.000+02:00Ha Ha! Thanks mon mignon escargot!
I learnt all ...Ha Ha! Thanks mon mignon escargot! <br /><br />I learnt all I know about Politics from a thick-Afrik-accented Marxist lecturer! "Hey Comrades, Hey!". <br /><br />The problem with politics is those people who follow the discipline become politicians. In my politics class, the top thinkers had no desire to end up in forefront government. It was the fools who did. <br /><br />Way back when, politicians had no cash-incentive to end up in government, you did so because you had a point of view/principle you wishe to fight for. While I like this idea, it does allow for fundamentalism to gain strength. Sorry. I think I'm going far off topic - what happens when you are trying to do 10 things at once...your mind goes everywhere.Champagne Heathenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540128789208726965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-33902749305082578952007-02-06T13:31:00.000+02:002007-02-06T13:31:00.000+02:00OK, now that we know that you are the intelligent ...OK, now that we know that you are the intelligent life on earth, what planet are you from and will you please teach our world leaders how to change a lightbulb :-)<br /><br />Brilliant post, I feel so much more intelligent after reading them.Phlippyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11075170008177293978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-51858544819228950382007-02-06T12:14:00.000+02:002007-02-06T12:14:00.000+02:00And you make me blush and smile dear Rob. Thanks!And you make me blush and smile dear Rob. Thanks!Champagne Heathenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540128789208726965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-30497028268681821422007-02-06T11:28:00.000+02:002007-02-06T11:28:00.000+02:00Ah, thanks Insanity!! You do not know how I crave ...Ah, thanks Insanity!! You do not know how I crave answers to THAT situation!Champagne Heathenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540128789208726965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-52447579775251373352007-02-06T11:20:00.000+02:002007-02-06T11:20:00.000+02:00And yet again you show why I love reading yoru blo...And yet again you show why I love reading yoru blog. So informative! It's liek a university education. Well, I guess, since I've never been.<br /><br />If I had an hour with the president, I'd like to discuss his decision making process. Like why he chooses to be friends with known dictators etc. If it was championing the underdog then fine, but i hardly think Mugabe is underdog material.Insane Insomniachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18026724165357854077noreply@blogger.com