tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post2626194219592521359..comments2024-03-12T09:47:58.376+02:00Comments on ChampagneHeathen: RaceChampagne Heathenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09540128789208726965noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-47130243960688856342007-07-10T11:45:00.000+02:002007-07-10T11:45:00.000+02:00Thanks so much for these great comments!! ...that ...Thanks so much for these great comments!! ...that I want to comment back to when I can think again. So...we'll get back to this discussion once Vit C kicks in. <BR/><BR/>Radar, do you have a blog? Couldn't find it through your profile. <BR/><BR/>Heddles - it is our ploy to remind you to not get too attached to that desert. <BR/><BR/>Dolce - aaah, you do make me blush! Thanks! Especially from someone I already think rocks!Champagne Heathenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540128789208726965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-53552752209290724422007-07-10T10:59:00.000+02:002007-07-10T10:59:00.000+02:00Unbelievably excellent post. Seriously, Champers....Unbelievably excellent post. Seriously, Champers. I've never read something that so exactly articulates what goes through my head when I'm trying to unravel a situation where my instinctual responses might be construed as racist (or for that matter steeped in inflexible and irrational thoughts about religion, age, gender etc etc)<BR/><BR/>I do believe we were all, collectively socialised by the mores and laws of our pre-94 lives. But as you so beautifully put it, if we can look, acknowledge, review, understand and change, we're not chained by that socialisation. We can choose to make new paths.<BR/><BR/>Champers, you rock!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-35037801665613906502007-07-10T05:34:00.000+02:002007-07-10T05:34:00.000+02:00Champs, wow - really good post. Agree with you tha...Champs, wow - really good post. Agree with you that it's all got to start with looking at what shapes our own thoughts and perceptions, because knowing yourself is the best way to really get to know others. <BR/><BR/>Radar, I do agree that ignorance is ultimately the most dangerous aspect of ourselves we have to deal with. And yes, we come from an incredible, amazing country and I have never loved it more.Heddleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05099005742759598791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-15565015743824790272007-07-09T21:29:00.000+02:002007-07-09T21:29:00.000+02:00I am new to this blogging world and have been goin...I am new to this blogging world and have been going through many, many blogs to find things of interest to read, as well as finding like minded people. What I didn;t expect to find was a means to educate myself about an entire group of our population that I really knew nothing about.<BR/><BR/>Firstly, the youth (comparing your Mellville/ Sandton jolling to mine in the 80's is an eye opener - and encouraging!)..and then, the black, urban youth. I live out in the sticks, so where am I going to have the opportunity to sit down and chat to these guys and learn what they think of life in our new SA? Its incredible, and each time I read a blog I learn and I'm encouraged and I have so much hope for this country. You guys, your generation, you are the future.<BR/><BR/>One young woman was talking about the subtleties of racism these days (white on black), and she's right. She ended her post by saying perhaps we should all be going for counselling to learn how to deal with our new country and each other.<BR/><BR/>I know racism and prejudice exist in all cultures. I also believe that it is based on ignorance. And ignorance promotes fear and fear promotes racism...and 'isms' of all kinds. Maybe through Blogs we can learn more about each other and be a little more understanding of each other.<BR/><BR/>As for PC - its the single worst thing that could ever have been invented. It prevents people from learning about each other, it promotes 'isms' and its a deadly virus to humour.<BR/><BR/>We have such a frikkin amazing country with such diverse and interesting cultures. We could learn so much cool stuff from each other and maybe one day emerge as a united nation.<BR/><BR/>I feel strongly about this. :)Radarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12948597380112349729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-52390504588510105632007-07-09T16:20:00.000+02:002007-07-09T16:20:00.000+02:00OK, I saw the post title 'Race' and thought the ar...OK, I saw the post title 'Race' and thought the article was about the Durban July...oops, my bad!Revolving Credithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15574797355925391736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-112455116179963032007-07-09T14:14:00.000+02:002007-07-09T14:14:00.000+02:00Chews - there are so many ridiculous assumptions a...Chews - there are so many ridiculous assumptions and myths out there, which is why everyone needs to reflect occasionally on their own perspectives & thinkings of the world. Especially the thinking that takes place on a more unconscious level...which is usually created during our development years. This post happens to be about my thinking of this nation's thinking of "race". <BR/><BR/>Daeds - Hello! I won't send you smooches. I'm sick. *Cough hack cough*<BR/><BR/>6000 - Hi! Long time! I will def. check your post out today. And thanks for the compliment - but as long as it made you think...<BR/><BR/>Damn, must have missed that interview, although I do think I missed most things this morning! Mondays!! ARGH!!<BR/><BR/>Robaloni - I like to think I am diplomatic, rather than PC. I choose my words carefully when in such convos, to get my point across as clearly as possible as it is such a delicate subject that it might be mistranslated in someone's filters when they hear/ read when I am explaining my view point. I want people to engage as openly as possible on such a topic, rather then battling defenses right from the start. <BR/><BR/>And yes, when someone is too PC, you don't even need the defense. The convo is blocked already, as no one is speaking openly!Champagne Heathenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540128789208726965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-24016987039614753712007-07-09T13:40:00.000+02:002007-07-09T13:40:00.000+02:00Out of the entire piece I came away out agreeing 1...Out of the entire piece I came away out agreeing 100000% that you will be doomed if you allow Political Correctness in.<BR/><BR/>PC is bad, bad, bad. Here in UK it is recognised as doing nothing but bad.<BR/><BR/>Ever heard the police call you, their 'customer'? Oh yes. <BR/><BR/>So rapists, burglars, murderers, etc are their custometrs? No we are! Yep, we are the customers who cannot get good service because the PC world made them adopt leniency instead of strict discipline and adherence to the law.<BR/><BR/>Ever heard a cop talk PC? It is the most laughable inane and embarrassing bit of non-speak you will ever hear.<BR/><BR/>PC was adopted at all levels of life. In business and in local councils. It was just sick. And it still exists. Got a letter from an idiot at West berkshire County Council telling me that they 'encourage their customers' to communicate blah blah blah. <BR/><BR/>What a load of bollocks. Some spineless arse (male) at the council can't call a spade a shovel because the PCers say so. Crap.<BR/><BR/>So please do not let PC in to dictate what you say. Conversations become so stilted and you do end up having a useless and unresolved discussion. <BR/><BR/>Being PC does not help solve society's issues. You have to be free of PC shackles to get anywhere along the road to full and unbiased intergration.RBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115530639415942479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-58225576530328162182007-07-09T13:17:00.000+02:002007-07-09T13:17:00.000+02:00Oh - and P.S. I saw Ryland on SABC2 this morning -...Oh - and P.S. I saw Ryland on SABC2 this morning - hope he's a better writer than interviewee.... ;@(6000https://www.blogger.com/profile/10828090445653134789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-41341187911885004562007-07-09T12:58:00.000+02:002007-07-09T12:58:00.000+02:00Interesting post - insightful and honest as ever.D...Interesting post - insightful and honest as ever.<BR/>Did you see my "Big South African Crime Post" over at www.6000.co.za?<BR/><BR/>Would welcome your thoughts.6000https://www.blogger.com/profile/10828090445653134789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-21318368524111269222007-07-09T12:28:00.000+02:002007-07-09T12:28:00.000+02:00Shampoooooo MWAH!Token White guy ... Chewy? LOL!Shampoooooo MWAH!<BR/><BR/>Token White guy ... Chewy? LOL!Daedalushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02201811190392230364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28321828.post-15140147997448261392007-07-09T12:00:00.000+02:002007-07-09T12:00:00.000+02:00No one is politically correct in their head. What ...No one is politically correct in their head. What you say and do can be PC, but there's whole realms of PC besides the race card, and we all think our own thoughts. <BR/><BR/>You can't really catch anything from toilet seats, unless you lick it or something. You're more likely to get flu from the faucets than Hepatitis from the seat.<BR/><BR/>Your thinking does depend on your upbringing though. As a kid we were the few english speakers in a heavily afrikaans school. That there influenced me a lot. <BR/><BR/>I don't tend to think about race much. A friend pointed out on Saturday, after his Chinese girlfriend got in the car, that we had pretty much full representation of all race groups (Black, Indian, Chinese, White)in the car - I hadn't noticed. But then again I am the token white guy ;)ChewTheCudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02834275064275668599noreply@blogger.com